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What did MU teach you?

The other day I was on the Intercity Express back home to Thane (Hurray for Fridays!). Window Seat, as always, so I can watch the delightful sights of Lonavala and Khandala and exercise my memory cells trying to recall the stations from Pune to Thane in order. A window seat also means two things, bad and good – one, you smell like the Indian Railways – the odour only a long-distance traveller by Indian Railways will be familiar with, and two, you are oblivious to the chaos around you inside the compartment. Perhaps I will write about that too, sometime.

But that evening, one voice pierced my bubble of solitude – a loud, know-it-all, too-clear voice. You know, the kind with a bloated sense of self-esteem. I couldn’t see, but the disembodied voice matched the stereotype of a 20-to-24-year-old male. He was lecturing a family who (by a terrible error in judgement) had asked him his opinion of doing Engineering from Mumbai University. Presumably Munna/Chutki had just finished 12th and was thinking of an engineering education.

“… yes yes, Vivekanand is good, but only for Computers and IT – don’t even touch the other courses… Somaiya? Hmm – ok-ok, maybe the Computers course is passable. But the college infrastructure is very bad, I tell you! So don’t take chances, because infrastructure tells you so much about the quality of the faculty and the esteem that students hold it in!” As a Somaiya alumnus, my first instinct was to locate this individual and splatter my veg cutlet on his face. But veg cutlet is one of Indian Railways’ few redeeming features, so I kept myself in check and listened to more pearls of wisdom that filled the compartment.

“… Engineering is no joke! You must be very clear about what you want from life! Don’t take up Mechanical when your inner self is an Electronics Engineer! Ask yourself a dozen times about your real goal in life! Engineering will give you deep a technical background….”

“Eh, what?” I asked myself. I replayed the conversations I had heard for so many weeks in the monsoon of 2000, Admission Time for me. Exchanged between anxious parents, students, sagacious seniors, wily officials, these snippets of conversations testify admission-time is a mad mad world.

“Vivekanand IT course is HOT this year!”

“There is a trend for electronics over the past year!”

“Keep at least three backup colleges!”

“SP College gives full marks for practicals – always! ‘Go’ for such colleges.”

“College is always more important than the course!”

“Course is always more important than the college!”

“College and course – both are equally important!”

“There is a rumor that Datta Meghe will ‘become’ A-grade institution! Take it aankh-band-karke!”

“Take any college you get now! Thursday the courts will decide to have another fresh round most probably; you will get into Thadomal Mechanical then!”

“Me? I’m applying for both Engineering and Medical. Whichever declares results first, I will take!”

I’d love to hear other gems that you’ve come across, dear reader-from-Mumbai-U. But you get the idea. This is the kind of rational thinking and deliberation that goes on among the student community and their parents during admission. And I wonder if the tens of thousands of engineering students of Mumbai U will find out what they want to do in life until they’re 30, have a family, kids, a sucky job, loans, insurance premia and bills to pay. Maybe realization will strike in a local train with five shoes on your shoes, in an overcrowded BEST bus under someone’s underarm, or at home staring at one of those bills I talked about, wherever you may be, but not before 30. So how the hell are you going to find out what engineer my “inner self” is at 17?

Mumbai U engineering is an underworld in itself. There are “tips and tricks” to survive. There are “means” to get ahead. There are “things” that can happen that are beyond your control. There are “people” to know. Every student who goes to the US for Graduate School, invariably shoots off multiple emails in his/her first month, about how “different” and “sahi” and “great” the “education system” is there, that “Rahul, you cannot even imagine”, and that “Rahul, you should have been here, yaar!” (Referring to the time I gave up three top-20 Univ M.S./Ph.D admits and chose to stay in India).

They’re right, after all. There is no “external examiner” who comes to conduct your vivas at the end of the semester seeking bloody revenge, because your professor went to the other college and failed a dozen students for the heck of it. Or a semester paper where 60% of the questions may be “out of syllabus”. Or a student may fail in all subjects for two, three successive semsters and still make it to the next year. Or assignments are routinely written by one student and replicated, xerox-like, by the other 100 students: 12 assignments each for 6 subjects each twice a year each for 4 years. Or a senior may graduate and return a month later to teach the final year students, one year his/her junior. Or professors insist on students writing the entire program code (often spanning hundreds of lines) *by hand* in their journals. Or…. I wonder if a group of brave students with photographic memories could come together and write a book like “Inside Mumbai University BE – The Real Story” or similar. Pulitzer and Nobel guaranteed. The list of atrocities committed in Mumbai U are among the worst kept secrets in the city – everyone knows about it, no one talks about it.

You’d expect people who’ve had an education like this to be hopelessly maladjusted towards life post-Engineering. How could such dunderheads ever have any hint of technical knowledge? How could they ever compete and become a success in Corporate India? Why wouldn’t half of them join the actual Mumbai underworld in sheer frustration?

But you know the truth? Mumbai U ranks just behind the IITs and in front of a few NITs in terms of perceived value in India (of course, great emphasis on “perceived”). Mumbai U Engineering grads have gone on to become undisputed successes in Industry – and the West. They’ve managed admission to the best US schools, have studied at the IIMs, risen up to high positions, managerial and technical, in large organizations, have founded startups and made tons of money. How?! What have they learnt from their Engineering days? What gives them a shot at survival, much less an edge over others?

Maybe the entire environment in Mumbai University is the World in miniature. Think about it: in the World, people with positions of great responsibility are more often than not stupid. (The Dilbert principle – people are moved to the position where they can cause least damage). That how things are in MU. It’s the people who’re able to manipulate these unfortunately powerful gentlemen, who “get ahead”.

Get maximum work done in minimum time. Results matter, no matter how you get them. That’s Corporate India/West for you. Is it any different from the mass copying for assignments? Every student joins multiple classes for every subject, and turns that subject into a well-rehearsed, highly-optimized play of questions and answers. What does that teach us? Playing the “system” so well, even the “system” cannot beat us. Ditto for Life.

We don’t have the kind of lab equipment that the IITs have. The majority of the staff would fail an intelligence test that the cockroach behind my washbasin could pass. (btw, cockroaches are supposed to be very smart, so it isn’t as sarcastic as you think). We have a syllabus that is changed every five years (or is it ten?). This, even for a fast-changing domain like Computer Science. We learn to put up with this. Those of us who eventually garner technical knowledge, do it on our own, without having things spoonfed to us via a textbook, or even being motivated via a splendid set of lectures from an inspired teacher.

Here’s a joke from the Readers’ Digest from years ago: What is the essential difference between a scientist and an engineer? The scientist was to know How Things Work; the engineer just wants to get the Damn Thing to Work! And that’s what we do, par excellence.

Because MU imitates life, there is no real line that divides the “World” and “College”, in that there is no sense of college being a “protected” environment. DJ from Rang De Basanti said, “College ke andar hum zindagi ko nachaate hain , aur college ke bahar zindagi humko nachaati hai”. Nah. Not true for us MU-ites. Hamara Zindagi se mukabla college mein hi shuru hota hai.

Flip side? Zero Innovation potential. The chances of a Mumbai U passout coming out with a pathbreaking product, process, startup or the like, is very low when you compare him/her with an IITian. Beat the system, get ahead is the mantra we’ve been programmed with. The vast majority of jobs demand just that. That’s where MU-ites score.

And that’s why the gentleman in the Intercity Express got it all wrong!

10 replies on “What did MU teach you?”

the article did slip on some things -1. Perceived value in industry – MU ranks after IIT and NIT and BITs and BIT and DCE and DIT2. Thinking of it – we MUites are in many ways cockraoches – we can survive in very very adverse conditions.3. The article neglects 1 very important factor for survival in MU – Chaatogiri / Sychophancy4. Writing answer in point form gives good marks in MU

Hmm…quite a post this is.I was actually annoyed that u did not comment on my posts even after promising so. But this post forces me to comment.With all its drawbacks, accept that MU students have done wonderful things. And most of them must have done some ‘creative’ things too that u talked about. Its just that IITs have a better brand value and hence any small thing that an IIT passout does gets lot of publicity. The same is true about IIMs. Atleast I know some non-IIM people who have given up plum jobs to pursue their dreams and desires but they do not get news coverage. But one IIMA guys does this and his name is everywhere on the blogspace and newspapers. (Am Not taking anything away from that guy though, mind you!)MU teaches you how to face difficulties. It tells you how to beleive in your capabilities. 8 subjects in a sem, 4 are completely alien to me as I have not even purchased the books of them and with less than a week for the exam, it is the self belief and not any crash course/notes/fanatics which helps you get out of the mud.It teaches you how to deal with dogmatic and snooty people who are in power. ALthough I am currently in a very structured enviornment of IIMA, I do miss the thrills and issues associated with exam dates uncertainites, hostile profs, running all around the city for last week crash courses with just a ‘wadapaav’ in your belly and what not.The lack of good alumni network is what I see as the biggest problem with MU. But thats understandable. With some 40+ engg colleges (I am not sure abt teh exact number. But I guess it has 2 b more than 40) which are geographically separated, its tough to build an alumni network. And that why the MU brand is not as strong as the IIT brand. Well whtaatay topic this is. And I am surely gonna write about it (my own views of course) on my blog. (And I dont care whether u bother to comment or not)

Whatever you said about Mumbai University, applies to Pune University as well. The problems are the same with a varying degree of severity. Someone asked me once, what was the best thing about my college. To which I could only reply that the best part was they left us alone and didn’t create too many hassles while we skipped lectures. I don’t recall anything that I actually ‘learnt’ in the college. Certainly not any advanced concepts. I just shudder when I think what would have happened, if I accidentally ‘learnt’ something that they were trying to teach.

Hmmmmm…. Worth a read , as a by-product of MU myself, I can very well identify with quite a few statements that you made. Ofcourse , people may have their own comments on the content and the subject per-se, but ask me and I enjoyed it.BTW I totally agree with the cockroach example , cause our home is a haven for cockroaches and now we have started accepted them as our roomies !

I definately agree with ur view… The one thg that MU teaches u more than anythg else is how to survive inspite of unforgiving circumstances…other thg tht MU has never been able to utilize is the immense potential of its alumini… Till now scores of students must have passed out of MU, but their experience and current status in no way helps their upcoming juniors…

Rahul,I liked this post very much. I believe many MU grads think like this.

I enjoyed reading and re-reading this post…and my friends here at amdocs too loved it…a humorous account…covering most of the points (as we wud say as a MU pass-out)…haa haa

hi.. loved ur article.. but i think there are soo many things that should be written about this topic. rahul, u have a nice writting skill. Also a good observation power. SO i feel you must go forward and convert this article into someting better and not just a chai time thought. I feel you can give a very nice and insightful view and i would love to join with u in these articles.

Hi.. that was a really god article… I liked the analogy you state here between life in general and life as a student in MU. One more example I would like to quote here is something similar to the Jessica Lal case.. obviously not of that magnitude, but nevertheless worth mentioning. This is about my sister who is persuing a degree in Commercial Arts at Rachana, under MU. She and some of her classmates were failed in a university practical exam. Now this was a subject where she had scored more than 70% throughout the semester and believe me she was really good.. i have seen her working hard.. and as the cliche goes burning quite a few ounces of midnight oil. These students filed a petition in the high court, challenging MU decision. But as always MU by some crooked ways won the case( i wont go into details of that.. its a long story)… now this certainly doesn’t come anywhere near a homicide case like that of Lal’s but it certainly is important to students who have to face such attrocities… As you have mentioned that all men who hold power in office are stupid… their only aim to is to stuff there pockets ( even a 6 pocket woudnt serve their purpose). I believe that this situation is partly due to the quota system in place, where merit stands second to caste…this is pure blasphemy on part of the government.. how would a system designed for the post -independence era work 50 years hence… even a school going kid would be able to figure that out.I think I have let off enough steam. Its sad to see the current state of affairs.. its by god’s grace that i passed through unscathed, but these are ominous signs for future generations.. our own kids..maybe I m thinkin too far…

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